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Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.05 19:48:00 - [1] Threads about this pop up every few weeks. To be honest it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there was one and I believe there is, in fact. I doubt they're heavily circulated though, as always, who wants the competition using their own devices?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.06 03:03:00 - [2] Originally by: Lui Kai Originally by: Prokonsul Piotrus Another possibility that comes to mind is a shared account, with several players overseeing the prices 24/7. OOC, would this be an EULA violation? Yes. This.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.06 13:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Clara Klein Hell, some of the people calling these bots out are themselves in breach of the EULA in just as grey a sense. That's an interesting claim. Just what the hell are you babbling about?
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.06 21:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Clara Klein Originally by: Shar Tegral Ambo is right, you are chopping logic and badly. I wouldn't really say so. The problem with the EULA (and Terms of Service) is that it is, in many ways, very subjective on some matters. For instance, I have a Logitech multi-button mouse. In addition to the standard two buttons it has two thumb buttons, a scroll wheel (doubles as a middle mouse button), and three additional tiny buttons down the center. Usually these buttons are used for browser navigation (forward, back, etc.), but they can also be set to down other things like "ctrl+space" or "ctrl+q". Setting my mouse software to recognize those buttons as doing so, and then using them in Eve in such manner is technically using a third party programs to enter a rapid series of keystrokes for me. No GM would ever even think to punish you for using such a program though, because it doesn't really give you a particular edge versus other players. Even some third party programs that do give you a massive edge are tolerated, Teamspeak and Ventrilo for instance. The Terms of Service specifically prohibit any third party addons, tools, or extras to be used in conjunction with Eve, and Ventrilo and Teamspeak are in direct violation of those terms. They allow for significantly more rapid communication than would otherwise be possible, and circumvent Eve's own voice comm abilities. The mouse still requires user interaction. TS and Vent don't interact with the client in any way.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.06 23:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Clara Klein The rules, however, don't say that such programs are exempt simply because they do or not interact with the client or do or do not require user interaction. It simply states flatly that if they allow you to do things in Eve faster than would be otherwise possible (i.e. using voice comm software to communicate significantly faster) or are designed for the game in general (as in having anything whatsoever to do with Eve), then they are against either the EULA, Terms of Service, or both. Quote: Just so there is no ambiguity regarding the use of macros and bots: They are completely forbidden and against the EULA. There is simply no discussion on this issue. Despite you trying to think of clever ways around the EULA and think you're smart for finding some loophole, in the end it's pointless, as whatever you think you've found doesn't matter. CCP can still say it's not allowed and that's the end of it. In fact, they have said it's against the EULA, despite any creative interpretations you might come up with.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.07 15:04:00 - [6] Lies!
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.07 19:26:00 - [7] Originally by: CCP kieron The use of bots, including the sort of automated trading program mentioned in this thread, are in violation of the EULA. Discovery of the use of such programs or bots will result in actions being taken against the user's account, up to and including permanent game bans. Claims that "A GM said bots are ok." are to be looked upon with suspicion. This is all that needs to be said, for those of you who think you're clever by trying to interpret the EULA to your advantage. As Shar said, I think this thread can now be locked.

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